Comments on: President Obama plans to accelerate the development of electrical “smart grid” http://www.the-912-project.com/2009/03/31/president-obama-plans-to-accelerate-the-development-of-electrical-smart-grid/ The 912 Project is providing Americans with 9 Principles and 12 Values that were brought forth to you by the Glenn Beck program on Fox News network. Please join us as we bring back what America was founded upon. This site is NOT affiliated with Glenn Beck in any way and has been developed to support his 'We Surround Them' cause. Thu, 09 Feb 2012 16:28:59 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v= By: barbara gabriel http://www.the-912-project.com/2009/03/31/president-obama-plans-to-accelerate-the-development-of-electrical-smart-grid/comment-page-1/#comment-993 barbara gabriel Tue, 07 Apr 2009 11:12:24 +0000 http://www.the-912-project.com/?p=82#comment-993 what we need are term limits,to get the congress and the senate back to the real world. i am also concerned about Obama. his way of thinkiing about this country and his far left ideas .he wants us to be like other countries.people come to the USA to get away from socialisim. what we need are term limits,to get the congress and the senate back to the real world. i am also concerned about Obama. his way of thinkiing about this country and his far left ideas .he wants us to be like other countries.people come to the USA to get away from socialisim.

]]> By: Ray Tarkington http://www.the-912-project.com/2009/03/31/president-obama-plans-to-accelerate-the-development-of-electrical-smart-grid/comment-page-1/#comment-791 Ray Tarkington Sun, 05 Apr 2009 23:13:05 +0000 http://www.the-912-project.com/?p=82#comment-791 Could not agree with you more RapidRobert. As a 25 year electrician I have paid attention to electrical issues a long time. Our grid is indeed outdated and this is the wrong subject for conservatives to attack Obama on.. The grid's failure's of the past and our own brownout's in California make his assertions almost laughable. The article itself cites the dangers of an overloaded grid yet seems to not want more capacity? or is it just meters that are no longer of last centuries design?The Enron debacle is fresh in Californian's minds and illustrates what happens when corporation's control regulation and make complete deregulation a hard sell to the public. I am a fiscal conservative. I do not believe the government should incur debt, except for 2 reasons. !- war,2-infrastructure that lasts multiple years and adds to productivity or safety. I believe grids qualify under the second. As a side note I do not believe deficit taxation is sustainable or desirable and conservatives should attack spending that does not have an obvious need as grids do. Could not agree with you more RapidRobert. As a 25 year electrician I have paid attention to electrical issues a long time. Our grid is indeed outdated and this is the wrong subject for conservatives to attack Obama on.. The grid's failure's of the past and our own brownout's in California make his assertions almost laughable. The article itself cites the dangers of an overloaded grid yet seems to not want more capacity? or is it just meters that are no longer of last centuries design?The Enron debacle is fresh in Californian's minds and illustrates what happens when corporation's control regulation and make complete deregulation a hard sell to the public. I am a fiscal conservative. I do not believe the government should incur debt, except for 2 reasons. !- war,2-infrastructure that lasts multiple years and adds to productivity or safety. I believe grids qualify under the second. As a side note I do not believe deficit taxation is sustainable or desirable and conservatives should attack spending that does not have an obvious need as grids do.

]]> By: RapidRobert http://www.the-912-project.com/2009/03/31/president-obama-plans-to-accelerate-the-development-of-electrical-smart-grid/comment-page-1/#comment-261 RapidRobert Thu, 02 Apr 2009 17:09:14 +0000 http://www.the-912-project.com/?p=82#comment-261 First of all, any meter can be reversed engineered now! It actually enhances security from a HLS perspective to install so-called "smart metering." All that means is that they are readable and controllable by RFID. The power cos here in N.C. have been changing over to control costs for over 5 yrs now. BTW, who do think changes out the meters? Not govt agents. As for trans capacity--cost is precisely why the govt is investing--and has been since the first Bush Admin, for heaven's sake! Transmission is expensive and there is no way to quickly re-coup investment. That is exactly what ENRON was counting on when it sold its "wheeling" schemes to the utility cos. in Texas and CA. Moreover, our demand fields are greater as IT systems have gotten more powerful and numerous. On top of all of that, consider how vulnerable the old system is to ELP. The new systems will have some measure of shielding and switching redundancy in case of attack or natural diaster. Is there a danger the govt would use it. Of course. There's also a danger that I might become a rap star. Possible, but not very likely. As to your reaserch, yes, honestly, I don't think much of it. Nor do I think much of Josh Pennell's testimony. The things he describes can be accomplished with $20 and a trip to Radio Shck--forget eBay. The point is, the horse is out of the barn with the technology. As for the political angle, please. There are more important matters--real crises--that need attention. There are simply too many EEs and good, hardworking men and women at the utility companies for any one entity to gain control of our transmission system. First of all, any meter can be reversed engineered now! It actually enhances security from a HLS perspective to install so-called "smart metering." All that means is that they are readable and controllable by RFID. The power cos here in N.C. have been changing over to control costs for over 5 yrs now. BTW, who do think changes out the meters? Not govt agents.
As for trans capacity–cost is precisely why the govt is investing–and has been since the first Bush Admin, for heaven's sake! Transmission is expensive and there is no way to quickly re-coup investment. That is exactly what ENRON was counting on when it sold its "wheeling" schemes to the utility cos. in Texas and CA.
Moreover, our demand fields are greater as IT systems have gotten more powerful and numerous. On top of all of that, consider how vulnerable the old system is to ELP. The new systems will have some measure of shielding and switching redundancy in case of attack or natural diaster.
Is there a danger the govt would use it. Of course. There's also a danger that I might become a rap star. Possible, but not very likely.
As to your reaserch, yes, honestly, I don't think much of it. Nor do I think much of Josh Pennell's testimony. The things he describes can be accomplished with $20 and a trip to Radio Shck–forget eBay.
The point is, the horse is out of the barn with the technology. As for the political angle, please. There are more important matters–real crises–that need attention. There are simply too many EEs and good, hardworking men and women at the utility companies for any one entity to gain control of our transmission system.

]]> By: the_912_project http://www.the-912-project.com/2009/03/31/president-obama-plans-to-accelerate-the-development-of-electrical-smart-grid/comment-page-1/#comment-236 the_912_project Thu, 02 Apr 2009 03:20:53 +0000 http://www.the-912-project.com/?p=82#comment-236 Quote from article: “With smart grid, anybody with an eBay account and $80 can go and buy a smart meter, reverse-engineer it and figure out how to attack the grid,” said Josh Pennell, president and CEO of IOActive, a technology research firm in Seattle, who testified before the Department of Homeland Security. You are so right Robert! Apparently my research knows nothing and Josh Pennell quoted below, knows nothing. Utility execs, huh? Maybe you haven't watched the news as of late to see all the new Government owned and now operated corporations. Do you really believe they will not take over or control the power grids if they see it to suit their political agendas? As to the execs not wanting to invest in transmission capacity. Do you suppose that is why the Government allocated $4.5 Billion to get it going? I did leave out the compounding costs that every citizen will pay when this goes forward. Maybe I'll just throw that in part two to see how well you like more truth being spilled. Regards, The Author Quote from article: “With smart grid, anybody with an eBay account and $80 can go and buy a smart meter, reverse-engineer it and figure out how to attack the grid,” said Josh Pennell, president and CEO of IOActive, a technology research firm in Seattle, who testified before the Department of Homeland Security.

You are so right Robert! Apparently my research knows nothing and Josh Pennell quoted below, knows nothing. Utility execs, huh? Maybe you haven't watched the news as of late to see all the new Government owned and now operated corporations. Do you really believe they will not take over or control the power grids if they see it to suit their political agendas? As to the execs not wanting to invest in transmission capacity. Do you suppose that is why the Government allocated $4.5 Billion to get it going?

I did leave out the compounding costs that every citizen will pay when this goes forward. Maybe I'll just throw that in part two to see how well you like more truth being spilled.

Regards,
The Author

]]> By: RapidRobert http://www.the-912-project.com/2009/03/31/president-obama-plans-to-accelerate-the-development-of-electrical-smart-grid/comment-page-1/#comment-230 RapidRobert Wed, 01 Apr 2009 20:58:34 +0000 http://www.the-912-project.com/?p=82#comment-230 This is the dumbest article ever. The author obviously knows NOTHING about the delivery of electricity. First of all, the only "officials" that would decide anything are utility execs--who, btw, don;t want to invests in transmission capacity and haven't for some time. Please get a clue before spewing this tin-foil hat garbage. This is the dumbest article ever. The author obviously knows NOTHING about the delivery of electricity. First of all, the only "officials" that would decide anything are utility execs–who, btw, don;t want to invests in transmission capacity and haven't for some time. Please get a clue before spewing this tin-foil hat garbage.

]]> By: killpoke http://www.the-912-project.com/2009/03/31/president-obama-plans-to-accelerate-the-development-of-electrical-smart-grid/comment-page-1/#comment-213 killpoke Wed, 01 Apr 2009 02:41:23 +0000 http://www.the-912-project.com/?p=82#comment-213 the smart grid is only the tip of the ice, in reacent proposal from a alderman in chicago, wants to use red light cameras to start catching vehicals that do not have insurenc where will this stop? cameras used thru the smart grid tec in your living room !! I wrote a little more in my blog check it out if ya like . killpoke.wordpress.com the smart grid is only the tip of the ice, in reacent proposal from a alderman in chicago, wants to use red light cameras to start catching vehicals that do not have insurenc where will this stop? cameras used thru the smart grid tec in your living room !!
I wrote a little more in my blog check it out if ya like .
killpoke.wordpress.com

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