Military Policing Illegally used at Kentucky Derby
ByOn Saturday May 2, 2009 military police were illegally used to police the 135th running of the Kentucky Derby at Churchill Downs.
Military police chase down a fan who ran onto the track shortly after the running of the 135th Kentucky Derby horse race at Churchill Downs Saturday, May 2, 2009, in Louisville, Ky.
I saw this story and knew that it was one of great concern to all of us law abiding citizens in America. The military has been brought in to police events and even cities lately and this is an issue that needs to be strongly addressed with your state representatives today! We need to demand answers as to why it has all of sudden become a practice to use military police when it is clearly illegal unless there is a heightened level of a state of emergency which is only to be permitted under an executive order. Did President Obama give out the executive order to police the Kentucky Derby? If so, Was he afraid of the wealthy neocons getting out of hand?
Not only has our military been used at the Kentucky Derby, but there was a recent illegal dispatching of soldiers in Samson, Alabama, from nearby Fort Rucker after a murder spree on March 10, 2009 as reported on Alex Jones’ Info Wars. As many of us know, this form of dispatching of troops is a direct violation of the Posse Comitatus Act prohibiting the military from participating in law enforcement activities.
Who knows? The next illegal dispatching of our military to police the law abiding citizens of America might take place during the Independence Day Tea Party events that will be happening in a town or city near you. Please take a moment and do your own research on this important issue and then contact your representatives and demand answers and then demand that this blatantly illegal usage of our military will not be tolerated.
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When I first read about this story, without knowing the details, the words "Posse Comitatis" flashed in my head. And BINGO! I was right, use of the military in any way shape or form for law enforement purposes without an executive order from the President is a violation of Posse Comitatus. I woul dlike to know who exactly orchestrated the MPs in both of these events and if it does, in fact, trace back to the White House.
When I first read about this story, without knowing the details, the words "Posse Comitatus" flashed in my head. And BINGO! I was right, use of the military in any way shape or form for law enforcement purposes without an executive order from the President is a violation of Posse Comitatus. I would like to know who exactly authorized and orchestrated the MPs in both of these events and if it does, in fact, trace back to the White House.
These guys are from the Kentucky National Guard! Get your facts straight before EVERYONE JUMPS to non-factual conclusions. The KENTUCKY ARMY NATIONAL GUARD has supported the Derby for OVER a decade.
Thanks for explaining that Joe. Your explanation makes sense.
I wanted to disagree with you cons on this…as is the usual case with you neocons and me…but this time you are correct. The military has no business being at the Kentucky Derby unless they are there as spectators only. However, I doubt President Obama had anything to do with it.
While I personally think this might have been an "oops" on the part of the folks at the Kentucky Derby and the state of Kentucky, it does need to be looked into.
It is very disturbing to think that the military was used at the Kentucky Derby. Unless Obama was to be there himself and needed more protection, there is no reason for them to be there. God help us.
Reading the local newspaper reports, it does indeed imply that the Derby "hired" them. I guess southern folks think a little different because the local paper was very positive about it. I suppose it might have been better to hirer them as "civilians" but then there probably was some stupid gun law in effect that wouldn't allow them to carry their side arms. I still think it needs a little further investigation…
When military personal are carrying weapons, that means their commanding officer authorized them to carry the weapons. That alone would make it a military operation.
If they are national guard troops, the governor is the commander in chief, and can be used for a variety of things.
After speaking to someone regarding this issue, they told me that it has been common practice to use these troops at the Derby for a number of years now.
Uber Geek,
You are correct in the Governor being able to activate troops for emergencies. It gets rather complicated when you begin using national guard troops for normal policing activities. I am still not sure if they were national guard troops or active duty military.
Clearly we have troops that have nothing to do. Given the difficult economic times can really afford to pay people to stand around with their hands in their pockets? Perhaps we need to begin deeply slashing the military budget.
Clearly we have troops that have nothing to do. Given the difficult economic times, can we really afford to pay people to stand around with their hands in their pockets? Perhaps we need to begin deeply slashing the military budget.
This is why I get frustrated when someone jumps on something without being to check all the facts. Granted all the facts may not be released to the public, but from what I read, it is "my" understanding that the Derby hired the additional law enforcement members and there is a provision for the reimbursement to the government for using troops like this. It is also my understanding, these were MP's (Military Police) not just any soldier with a side arm.
I would like to know more of the facts, not just speculation or even what I "think".
After speaking to someone regarding this issue, they told me that it has been common practice to use these troops at the Derby for a number of years now.
Don't take our word for it. Here's where you can find all you care to know about Posse Comitatus Act:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posse_Comitatus_Act
Hey here is an interesting article….
"Obituary of the Republican Party"
http://www.theindyvoice.com/2008/11/05/obituary-o…
Most millitary bases have agreements of concurrent jurisdiction. This authorizes millitary MP's to make traffic stops and the like off base. Also it allows the local police to come on board the instalation to investigate or arrest millitary memebrs. The biggest thing it dose is allow for support of agencies for events. Such as what you see here.
With all that said were those soldiers fedral troops on active duty. (thus falling under the PC Act) or were they National guard? (thus exempt from the PC act and under the order of the Kentucky Govenour)
http://dodvclips.mil/?fr_story=FRdamp354989&r…
Thase are Kentucky national guard soldiers. So they do not fall under the PC act.
I don't think the military at the kentucky derby should be taken so lightly. This thing is in fact head somewhere and somewhere quickly. All signs point to it. And the White is in support of the military being involved in our civilian lives etc. Also going on is Urban Welfare training and an expressed intent by our military personnel to support UN policies and to be willing to fire on US citizens if necessary. It is all rapidly developing before our eyes. It is the slow boiled frog syndrome. Soon some of us will wonder "how did we not see this coming". Our media is selective and the end my friend is near, nearer than we would like to think.
This isn’t rocket science. They are National Guardsman called into Kentucky State service. The Kentucky National Guard has supported this event for a long time. Although this article link below is from 2010, it still applies. Read and learn people. Posse Commitatis applies to ACTIVE duty Federal military. I really can’t believe how many nut jobs out there really DO NOT UNDERSTAND anything about their own country. Instead people “google” something or “wiki” something believing they are correct. Get a clue. Maybe if some of you left over hippie trash product and lost minded types would have SERVED your country, then you would understand things like this….oh wait, that’s right, you wouldn’t have been permitted to join either from low test scores or found unfit in another way.
http://kentuckyguard.wordpress.com/2010/05/01/lt-governor-praises-kentucky-national-guard-troops-at-derby/