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Will You Be Considered Part of a Hate Group if H.R. 2647 Passes?
ByYou may not be aware of this, but you might be considered to be a part of a hate group if the H.R. 2647 bill is passed by the Senate this week.

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This bill was passed by the House of Representatives on June 25, 2009 and could possibly be passed by the Senate this week while under the cover of the Sonia Sotomayor judiciary hearings. As always, we must watch to see what the other hand is doing and this is yet another perfect example of just why we need to keep a close eye on these people we call lawmakers.
You need to pay particularly close attention to “SEC. 524 Prohibition on Recruitment, Enlistment, or Retention of Persons Associated or Affiliated with Groups Associated with Hate-Related Violence Against Groups or Persons or The United States Government” of H.R. 2647. The title itself may sound harmless enough. However, you will find after reading this section that it will leave the discretion of this up to the United States Attorney General, Eric H. Holder Jr. who was sworn into office by Vice-President Joe Biden on February 3, 2009.
Here are the contents of SEC. 524 of HR 2647:
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SEC. 524. PROHIBITION ON RECRUITMENT, ENLISTMENT, OR RETENTION OF PERSONS ASSOCIATED OR AFFILIATED WITH GROUPS ASSOCIATED WITH HATE-RELATED VIOLENCE AGAINST GROUPS OR PERSONS OR THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT.
7 Section 504 of title 10, United States Code, is amended by adding at the end the following new sub section:
(c) PERSONS ASSOCIATED OR AFFILIATED WITH HATE GROUPS.—
(1) PROHIBITION.—A person associated or affiliated with a group associated with hate-related violence against groups or persons or the United States Government, as determined by the Attorney General, may not be recruited, enlisted, or retained in the armed forces.
(2) DEFINITION OF HATE GROUP.—In this subsection, the terms ‘group associated with hate-related violence’ or ‘hate group’ mean the following:
(A) Groups or organizations that espouse or engage in acts of violence against other groups or minorities based on ideals of hate, ethnic supremacies, white supremacies, racism, anti-Semitism, xenophobia, or other bigotry ideologies.Page 152
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Groups or organizations engaged in criminal gang activity including drug and weapons trafficking and smuggling.
(C) Groups or organizations that espouse an intention or expectation of armed revolutionary activity against the United States Government, or the violent overthrow of the United States Government.
(D) Groups or organizations that espouse an intention or expectation of armed activity in a ‘race war’.
(E) Groups or organizations that encourage members to join the armed forces in order to obtain military training to be used for acts of violence against minorities, other groups, or the United States Government.(F) Groups or organizations that espouse violence based on race, creed, religion, ethnicity, or sexual orientation.
(G) Other groups or organizations that are determined by the Attorney General to be of a violent, extremist nature.
(3) EVIDENCE OF ASSOCIATION OR AFFILATION WITH HATE GROUP.—The following shall constitute evidence that a person is associated or affili-(cont. on next page)
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ated with a group associated with hate-related violence:
(A) Individuals possessing tattoos or other body markings indicating association or affiliation with a hate group.(B) Individuals known to have attended meetings, rallies, conferences, or other activities sponsored by a hate group.
(C) Individuals known to be involved in online activities with a hate group, including being engaged in online discussion groups or blog or other postings that support, encourage, or affirm the group’s extremist or violent views and goals.
(D) Individuals who are known to have in their possession photographs, written testimonials (including diaries or journals), propaganda, or other materials indicating involvement or affiliation with a hate group. Such materials can include photographs, written materials relating to or referring to extreme hatred that are clearly not of an academic nature, possession of objects that venerate or glorify hateinspired violence, and related materials, as determined by the Attorney General.
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(E) Individuals espousing the intent to acquire military training for the purpose of using such training towards committing acts of violence of a purpose not affiliated with the armed forces.
(4) REQUIREMENTS FOR RECRUITERS AND ENLISTMENT PROCESSING STATIONS.—A military recruiters may not enlist, or assist in enlisting, a person who is associated or affiliated with a group associated with hate-related violence, as evidenced pursuant to paragraph (3). A person at any military enlistment processing station who, during the screening process, is found to be affiliated or associated with a hate group (including through admitting to any such affiliation or association on any form or document) is automatically prohibited from enlisting.
(5) SEPARATION.—
(A) SEPARATION REQUIRED.—A person discovered or determined to be associated or affiliated with a group associated with hate-related violence, as evidenced pursuant to paragraph (3), shall be immediately discharged from the armed forces, in the manner prescribed in regulations regarding discharge from service.Page 155
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(B) EXCEPTION.—Subparagraph (A) shall not apply to a member of the armed forces who has renounced the member’s previous affiliation or association with a group associated with hate-related violence, as determined by the commanding officer of the member.
(6) REPORTING REQUIREMENT.—Not later than April 1, 2010, and annually thereafter, the Secretary concerned shall submit to the Committees on Armed Service of the Senate and House of Representatives a report—
(A) on the presence in the armed forces of members who are associated or affiliated with a group associated with hate-related violence and describing the actions of the Secretary to discharge such members; and
(B) describing the actions of the Secretary to prevent persons who are associated or affiliated with a hate group from enlisting.
I have never been one to endorse or encourage violence against any group or individual or the United States Government. Last I knew, we already have a hate crime bill. This one goes above and beyond to a point where just about anyone for any reason could be considered a hater. Yes, even minorities. Be careful what you ask for, as you might just get it!
As you can see from the contents of SEC. 524 of HR 2647, this is well laid out and is can be openly interpreted to be used against virtually any group or organization in the U.S. if the Government deem it necessary. This is yet another attempt by the Government to control the people of the United States of America. If I am reading this correctly, it appears to have contents that are directly against the Constitution of the United States. During the current administration it could be used against Conservative Americans. However, if a Republican administration takes over, it could then be used against Democrats. This is not a left or right issue. It’s an American issue, PERIOD! Pick up the phone now! And call your Senator’s office Immediately!
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Resources:
http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h2647/text
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h111-2647
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12 Comments
July 14th, 2009 at 7:42 PM
This is for recruitment, retention etc of the ARMED FORCES members who belong to a 'hate group'. This does not apply to civilians at all. Civilians can belong to any group and still be recruited, retained etc in these groups without interference. However, with this new law, those civilians who belong to those hate groups will not be able to join the military. Current military members who join 'hate groups' will not be retained. Thats what this bill says.
July 14th, 2009 at 8:07 PM
You are right. That is part of it. But, it is a small part of a much larger picture.
July 15th, 2009 at 11:08 AM
So Sarah, what you are saying is, People in the armed forces do not have 1st amendment rights
July 15th, 2009 at 3:07 PM
iF THEY ARE SMART THEY WILL ALLOW US TO BLOW OFF STEAM-COVER ALL THE BOILING POTS(US) AND IT WILL BLOW-ITS GETTING VERY FRUSTRATING NOT TO HAVE ANYWHERE TO HAVE ANOTHER OPINION-AND WATCHING MY COUNTRY FLUSHED DOWN THE TOILET
July 16th, 2009 at 3:03 PM
It is an assault to 1st Amendment
October 9th, 2009 at 8:42 AM
[...] The 111th Congress to give this Administration more and more power. Unless their intent is to create a North American Hugo Chavez, they should reconsider their current strategy. If they don’t, they could end up being even less significant than they currently are. The 912 Project has more on this important legislation. [...]
October 9th, 2009 at 8:42 AM
[...] The 111th Congress to give this Administration more and more power. Unless their intent is to create a North American Hugo Chavez, they should reconsider their current strategy. If they don’t, they could end up being even less significant than they currently are. The 912 Project has more on this important legislation. [...]
October 9th, 2009 at 9:12 AM
[...] The 111th Congress to give this Administration more and more power. Unless their intent is to create a North American Hugo Chavez, they should reconsider their current strategy. If they don’t, they could end up being even less significant than they currently are. The 912 Project has more on this important legislation. [...]
October 9th, 2009 at 5:00 PM
____ Mr. Holder.
October 10th, 2009 at 5:08 PM
If you are a Conservative expect to go underground if this passes – and it will because the Republican Party will not challenge it, as the party leadership continues to distance itself from Conservatives.
Thank you for your time.
October 11th, 2009 at 4:04 PM
This, of course, means the end of what double-jeopardy protections we still have left. The govt. can now charge you with civil rights violations in addition-to state charges (regardless of case outcome) when warranted, but heretofore you could not commit a civil rights violation against the government. You will now, however, be able to be charged with a hate crime against the government if Holder wants it, even if you are acquitted at the state level. And if you belong to a "hate group" (say – the 912 project) whatever you were acquitted -on could be deemed an act in the furtherance of that group's goals – ergo, a hate crime against the government.
October 12th, 2009 at 9:58 AM
But criminals do.